First Love Ep. 71 - From Schema to Rhema: Can It Be Tested, Who Is In Control
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Wednesday, September 16, 2026
Show Notes: In this episode, Dr. Robyn Kassas and Dr. Nathan Kassas continue identifying markers that separate a rhema from a schema, beginning with the control marker: does this require manipulation, deception, or pressure to make it happen? They discuss how a trigger activates a schema, how Saul dressed up disobedience in spiritual language, and how James 3:17 describes wisdom as willing to yield. They share the practice of inviting Jesus into their own self-talk, and connect it to Adam and Eve's imagination being opened. Next comes the testing marker: what God blesses, He tests. Citing 1 John 4:1, Proverbs, and Peter's vision at Simon the Tanner's house, they explain why a multitude of counselors matters and why no one has every gift, since a schema claims to have every answer while a rhema is willing to yield.
Hosts: Dr. Robyn Kassas and Dr. Nathan Kassas
Topics Covered: Control Marker, Manipulation and Maneuvering, Triggers and Schemas, Inviting the Lord Into Self-Talk, Testing Marker, Multitude of Counselors, Peter at Simon the Tanner's House, Gifts Are Distributed
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About the program: “First Love” with Dr. Robyn and Dr. Nathan Kassas is a life-transforming broadcast that helps believers and seekers reclaim God’s story through healing, truth, and restoration. Each episode unpacks why it works, how it works, and the process to walk it out—making Him real, relevant, and relational, and returning hearts to Jesus as their First Love.
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